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The Metro: Talking to strangers is good for your health, research shows

27 March 2025 at 23:01

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Think about the last place you were in public. It could have been the grocery store, on the bus, or in the waiting room at the dentist.

If you did manage to strike up a conversation with a stranger, how did it make you feel? While it might be uncomfortable, it turns out there are benefits to connecting with strangers, people you may not know. 

There is mounting research that suggests that having real-life interactions with other people is good for our health and happiness. In 2023, former Surgeon General Vivek Murthy issued an advisory warning that isolation poses a health risk equivalent to smoking 15 cigarettes a day.

Today on The Metro, we’re talking to some experts and getting to know some strangers on the phones. 

Guests: 

  • Kayla Perry: Marketing and communications manager at the Detroit Area Agency on Aging. She joined us to talk about the importance of in-person conversation and community for seniors. 
  • Nick Epley: He’s a professor of behavioral science at the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business. Epley has authored numerous articles on the ways we interact with each other and he co-authored an influential study on talking to strangers that produced interesting results.

We also asked listeners:

“Are you one of those people who seeks out conversations with strangers? Or do you avoid them?”

Joe in Rochester Hills says when he talks to strangers, “You get a smiley face, you get a happy look almost always.”

Use the media player above to hear the full conversation.

More stories from The Metro on March 27, 2025: 

  • President Donald Trump announced this week that he will place 25% tariffs on auto imports — including autos coming from Canada. WDET’s All Things Considered host and Senior News Editor Russ McNamara crossed the border into Canada to find out how Windsorites are reacting to tariffs and Trump’s idea of annexing our northern neighbor.

  • A new exhibition at Detroit boutique Coup D’état is honoring the life and work of photographer Bill Rauhauser, known as “the dean of Detroit photography.” Coup D’état Owner Angela Wisniewski-Cobbina joined The Metro to discuss the exhibit, held in partnership with Hill Gallery in Birmingham.

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Officials say northern Michigan ‘just as vulnerable’ to measles outbreak

18 March 2025 at 16:18

The first measles case in Michigan this year was confirmed in Oakland County on Friday. Officials continue to monitor the case and others who may have been exposed.

Public health officials in northern Michigan say low vaccination rates in some counties are causing real concern for a measles outbreak if the virus makes its way to the region.

According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), measles is “so contagious that if one person has it, 9 out of 10 people of all ages around him or her will also become infected if they are not protected.” The disease causes high fevers and rashes to form on the skin and can lead to other health issues like pneumonia, blindness and brain swelling.

Thanks to the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, the disease was considered eliminated in the United States in 2000, meaning “the absence of the continuous spread of disease was greater than 12 months.”

The MMR vaccine is safe and highly effective at preventing measles. Children typically receive two shots to be fully immunized — once when they’re 12 to 15 months old and another when they’re 4 to 6 years old.

But experts, like Dr. Joshua Meyerson, say the disease is on the rise due to declining childhood vaccination rates.

Meyerson serves as the Medical Director for three health departments in northern Michigan. Combined, these departments serve Benzie, Leelanau, Charlevoix, Antrim, Emmet, Otsego, Alpena, Cheboygan, Presque Isle, and Montmorency counties.

As Michigan experiences its first case, measles outbreaks continue to hit communities in West Texas and New Mexico. Two people have died from the disease and nearly 300 more cases have been reported.

“When you look at those 19 to 35 month-olds or 24 to 48 month-olds in [northern Michigan counties], they’re no better, unfortunately, than the rates that are in the counties in Texas and New Mexico that are having an outbreak,” Meyerson said. “So, that tells you that we are just as vulnerable as those places that are having ongoing spread.”

For comparison, in Gaines County, Texas, where much of the outbreak is centered, about 82% of kindergarteners are vaccinated. Many places in northern Michigan are below that.

Officials are also keeping watch on a measles outbreak in southwestern Ontario in areas near the border to Detroit. According to a report from Public Health Ontario, as of last week, 372 cases have been reported across 11 public health units since October.

“That’s not getting as much news,” Meyerson said. “But that’s another area that has me and other public health providers in Michigan concerned.”

Childhood vaccination rates have declined nationwide since the COVID-19 pandemic as more parents claim exemptions for their kids from getting required shots.

U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has called the decision to get vaccinated “a personal one.” The federal government’s messaging about the outbreak seems to be putting more emphasis on treatments like vitamin A than on vaccination.

Because measles is so contagious, 95% of a population needs to be fully vaccinated against the disease in order to claim herd immunity.

Scott Izzo is an epidemiologist and the community health director for District Health Department #2 which encompasses Alcona, Iosco, Ogema and Oscoda counties.

He said northern Michigan residents can set up appointments to receive an MMR vaccine with their local health department. Older individuals may want to consider getting a booster shot if measles cases start popping up in the region.

About one in five people who contract measles will end up hospitalized, Izzo said. Because there’s no specific treatment for measles, experts say preventative measures like vaccines are the most effective way to combat the disease.

“These individuals and communities don’t have the same memory of what measles is and what it can do to people,” Izzo said. “I really feel that the best thing that we can do is educate the public, give them the information that they need.”

VACCINATION RATES

Below are the rates of children 19-35 months old that have received at least one MMR vaccine in all northern-lower Michigan counties. They’ve been grouped by health department jurisdiction. Experts say 95% of a population must be vaccinated in order to claim herd immunity.

Grand Traverse County Health Department: 

  • Grand Traverse County 79.9%

Benzie-Leelau Health Department:

  • Leelanau 73%
  • Benzie 81%

Health Department of Northwest Michigan:

  • Charlevoix 76%
  • Emmet 79%
  • Antrim 79%
  • Otsego 79%

District Health Department #4:

  • Alpena 83%
  • Cheboygan 75%
  • Montmorency 72%
  • Presque Isle 77%

District Health Department #10:

  • Crawford 78.9%
  • Wexford 87.2%
  • Oceana 69.5%
  • Manistee 67.7%
  • Mason 73.9%
  • Mecosta 83.2%
  • Newaygo 79.2%
  • Missaukee 76.4%
  • Lake 71.6%
  • Kalkaska 79.4%

District Health Department #2

  • Alcona 82%
  • Iosco 77.2%
  • Ogemaw 77.8%
  • Oscoda 52.8%

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Farmworkers say they’re struggling to get bird flu testing, PPE

7 March 2025 at 17:41

Some dairy farmworkers say they’re struggling to get basic resources like PPE, testing, and flu shots needed to protect themselves from possible bird flu infections, even after connecting with their local and state health department.

That’s according to the Michigan Immigrant Rights Center (MIRC), which issued a press release Thursday describing recent situations in which they say workers tried to get testing, vaccines, and personal protective equipment, but ran into barriers and delays.

While the CDC says the risk of bird flu to the general public is still low, cases have been picking up speed in the past year, with 70 reported human cases in the U.S. so far, including one death. Dairy herds have been the source of infection in 41 of those cases, including two dairy farmworkers in Michigan in May.

In mid-January 2025, a group of 20 dairy farmworkers in the Upper Peninsula “reported being sick with flu-like symptoms,” according to the MIRC release. “The illness spread quickly among the workers.”

On January 22, the local health department (MIRC staff attorneys declined to say which health department, to protect the identity of the workers) said “they did not have H5N1 PPE, tests, treatments, or vaccines readily available, nor do they have the staff and language resources needed to communicate effectively with this vulnerable workforce,” the release said.

“They didn’t have free flu vaccines, and these workers couldn’t afford to pay for flu vaccines,” said Anna Hill Galendez, managing attorney at the Michigan Immigrant Rights Center.

Seasonal flu vaccines don’t protect against avian influenza, but they’re highly recommended for people with exposure to potentially infected animals, because a co-infection of human seasonal flu and avian flu could theoretically result in a mutation of avian flu that’s better adapted to spreading between humans. (In July, the CDC said it would spend $10 million on preventing bird flu infection in farmworkers, including $5 million for providing seasonal flu shots, Reuters reported.)

The local health department did eventually provide paper masks and COVID testing, and it took about two weeks “before they were able to get access to seven avian flu tests, which wasn’t going to be enough for all of those workers,” Hill Galendez said.

The health department also arranged a testing site for workers, but there was a miscommunication, she said, and the farmworkers weren’t sure whether their employer would allow them to attend.

“Dairy farmworkers often work 12-hour shifts, six or seven days a week,” she said. “There’s a lot of concern for many workers about missing work, for fear of being fired. And so they’re often looking to their employer to facilitate access to these resources, or to feel like they’re being given permission to access these kind of resources. And so it can be really hard to figure out how to get these resources to dairy workers in a way that they can actually take advantage of them. So in this situation, that communication didn’t work out in a way that allowed them to actually get access to that testing.”

An MDHHS spokesperson said it “quickly responded to reports of farmworkers in the Upper Peninsula with symptoms consistent with respiratory illnesses like influenza. To protect their health and safety, MDHHS worked with the farmworkers’ local health department (LHD) to make resources available including translation services, influenza testing, influenza vaccination and personal protective equipment (PPE).”

But MIRC said it took a month for the farmworkers to eventually get PPE. It also provided a written statement from an unnamed U.P. farm worker:

“The reason for sharing what I’m going to say is that we’re workers on a farm and we’ve been affected by a flu/virus, a cough that none of us has been able to avoid,” the statement said in part. “We spent one or two days in bed suffering from a fever and sore throat…We hope that through this communication, there can be protective equipment for the other ranches, since we’ve already gotten PPE at the ranch where we are working…If the protective equipment had arrived faster, we might not all have gotten sick.”

Milk testing and flu shots 

The Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural Development (MDARD) “did go out to test either the farm’s cows or milk within about two weeks of the first reported illness,” Hill Galendez, the MIRC attorney, said. “We weren’t aware of that testing at the time, but later learned that that took place and those tests came back negative.”

A spokesperson for MDARD said the agency “has tested bulk milk on all dairy farms in the U.P. and all have been negative for HPAI.”

CDC guidance recommends testing symptomatic people who’ve been exposed to infected animals, the MDHHS spokesperson said via email Thursday.

“Recent bulk milk testing at Upper Peninsula dairy farms by the Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural Development (MDARD) was negative for highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI), which meant exposure to animals sick with HPAI was not suspected among these farmworkers. MDHHS and the LHD made the decision to offer seasonal influenza testing to these workers, as their illnesses occurred at a time when there was extremely high respiratory virus activity, including seasonal influenza.”

But to date, those U.P. farmworkers still haven’t received their seasonal flu shots, Hill Galendez said. “The emphasis is over and over again on animal health, over human health. And so we see that focus again on the health of animals and consumer safety, over workers and protecting workers.”

The MDHHS spokesperson said seasonal flu shots were offered to the workers, but “I do not believe they took us/the LHD [local health department] up on the offer.”

Getting vaccines to farmworkers 

MIRC also described a dairy worker in Barry County “who noticed her co-workers were sick and wanted to avoid contracting the illness,” and reached out “to the local health clinic [but] was told they didn’t have the avian flu vaccine.” That same worker then contacted her local health department, but staff there didn’t speak Spanish.

An MDHHS outreach worker was able to assist her in communicating with that health department a few days later, but the worker was “disappointed” to learn that avian flu vaccines aren’t currently available in the U.S. (Some countries like Finland have been offering them to farmworkers.)

“It’s important to recognize that there are workers that are looking for these protections and we could be making them available, but we aren’t,” Hill Galendez said. “Dairy workers that understand their risks really [and] are looking for protection for themselves.”

(Last week, Bloomberg News reported the Trump administration has paused a $590 million contract the Biden administration made with Moderna for bird flu shots. It also canceled a key FDA meeting about which strains of flu to target in next year’s flu shot.)

The Barry-Eaton County District Health Department said it was contacted by several farms and farmworkers last year, “and was able to quickly fulfill all PPE requests. However, BEDHD has not been contacted by any farm owners or workers since June 2024.”

And while the department isn’t allocated adult seasonal flu vaccines, they can administer them if a farmworker is unable to get one at a local pharmacy or health care provider. The department also said it can provide flu testing and the flu medication, Tamiflu, for symptomatic farmworkers from farms where highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) has been detected.

Asked about how many farmworkers have received seasonal flu vaccines at MDHHS outreach events for farmworkers, a department spokesperson didn’t specify, but said it is working with several partners, including “a CDC project specifically to increase seasonal influenza vaccine coverage in dairy and poultry workers in several Michigan counties…As part of this, we have run some local events where we have administered doses of flu vaccine.”

Farmworkers are especially vulnerable right now, Hill Galendez said, and their employers often aren’t offering the recommended PPE. The challenges of reaching dairy farmworkers means it’s more important than ever to offer mobile testing and flu vaccine clinics, and proactively distribute PPE directly to workers, she said.

“That would all go a long way to make sure that dairy workers actually get access to these resources.”

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